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From: not-2-disclose@the.net
Subject: Connecting to Internet
Message-ID: <021000144910not-2-disclose@the.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 19:57:46 GMT
Organization: Sympatico
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu
Hi David,
About the "Connecting to Internet" thread of February 9:
DC> How do you use Kermit to connect to the Internet from a PC?
As indicated before, you need a DOS ~PPP~ PACKET-DRIVER (or ~TCP~/~IP~
STACK). You can try to get a copy of a message i sent on January 15 to
Jake in this ~NG~, i titled it "MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities"... If
you start from January 1, you'll get the hole story. For starters, you
will find out that i used `MS-Kermit' on a 8088 4,77 Mhz long ago. The
only thing that is in the way right now is `MS-DOS v3.2', i'm afraid you
need to up-grade to version 3.30 or better if you are to run batch-files
in the way i suggested to Jake, unless you can find a way to adapt it...
Most unfortunately, Charles advised that it can be dangerous to up-grade
to version 3.30 from earlier versions if you don't have a back-up before
you do... Charles Angelich has experience with v3.1, he might give you
hints on what you can/must not do. :) Also, don't restrict yourself to
using `MS-Kermit v3.14', versions 3.15+ have a usefull Auto-D/L feature!
As Charles pointed out, `FidoNet' echos is one possibility. My discover
of this ~NG~ here was less than a happy event; the team outraged me to
no end and i'm not willing to participate with too much "contributions",
anymore. Go to the `FidoNet_TCP/IP' echo and look for the 10 parts post
titled "MSKermit/DOS TCPIP" and which i addressed to mr. Gostin Manda on
February 4. It describes in detail how you can run `Kermit' as a ~WEB~,
~FTP~, ~IRC~, ~NNTP~ client (via ~TelNet~), etc... It uses a DOS ~ODI~
stack which happens to be included inside the Caldera ShareWare known as
`DR_Web-Spyder'; i gave a batch-file/configuration-file example. I can
consider a private correspondance if you're willing to pursue with this
but it will be slow; i prefer to start with the `FidoNet' echo first...
;-)
Since you may not have access to `FidoNet' right now, i suppose it would
be usefull for you to be aware of one of two other possibilities... One
of those is `DOSPPPd v0.6 Beta', this pilot can be found inside `Arachne
v1.50' - a way to find `Arachne' is to get it from `PTS-DOS 2000'; it's
a set of two 1M44 diskette-images, the 1st one is bootable so DON'T boot
from it on a DOS v3.1 PC! This ~URL~ can prove to be usefull if needed:
http://www.kiarchive.ru/pub/msdos/os/ptsds2k.zip
`Arachne v1.50' might not be able to run on your machine but if it does,
then the installation can be done very easily thru its "Wizard". If you
happen to have a non-standard serial-port setup, you'll need to edit the
configuration-file, to remove the "COMx" line. `DOSPPPd'/`EPPPd' can be
found in another DOS package named `FNOS v1.7x', also, as i recall. %-)
I used it long ago, it too can help you configuring the pilot but that's
not an experience i liked much... I might help you to setup `EPPPd.EXE'
by hand but i have little time for that: once, i came to great expenses
for providing Jake with an extensive/detailed reply to his question and
this guy never even bothered to tell me how it got; i promissed myself
that i wouldn't invest so much time for an incognito user never again...
Also, my experience with "The Kermit Team" learned me that i need to be
able to trust a person first before i can go any further!... %-o There
is no point into engaging myself in a "one-way discussion" where i can't
expect the slightest echo - such as how it goes. I love friendly BBSing
but i must confess you don't see me in my best period, these days. :(
Anyway. %-)
The third possibility is a DOS ~ODI~ stack by Klos: `PPP-Share v1.20'.
The following ~URL~ still has a copy of the 15 m demonstrator version:
http://www.quorus.ru/ftp/dos/tcpip/pppodi.zip
This archive is about 8 times smaller than `Arachne' (325 Kb)... It has
three files of interrest: `PPPDemo.ZIP' (the one you'd need), `PPP.INF'
(relates to the first one, as i recall), `Packet_D.109' (specifications
which are about a commercial ~SLIP~/~PPP~ pilot by NetManage, the former
FTP Sotware - it's not on topic but it can be distracting). %) Once, i
posted a 3 parts message to Simon Iremonger about "NetXpress etc" in the
`FidoNet_Dos_Internet' area on November 25. I've shown him a batch-file
example that's meant to load `PPP.EXE' and set DOS environment variables
for use with the same `MSKermit.INI' file i use with `DR_Web-Spyder' and
`DOSPPPd'... The Klos archive *REQUIRES* `LSL.COM' which is included in
`DR_Web-Spyder' and discussed in my post to Jake. Take note that Klos's
DOS ~ODI~ stack does work better if you're lucky enough to have a ~FIFO~
buffered (16550-type) ~UART~ on your serial-port, if that's not the case
then you better leave it alone!... ;-) The `AirPower' BBS message base
might be large enough to still hold a copy of my November 25 post.
I've seen a Klos archive of their ShareWare version (1.43), somewhere on
the Net (...) but i'm afraid i can't seem to find the ~URL~ any longuer.
[...]
If we are to continue with this discussion, join me in `FidoNet_TCP/IP'.
I *WILL NOT* go much further than this unless i get appologies from the
team, for the attitude they displayed from the very same day i arived...
%-(
Since they pretend to act as if they never got over their head, don't
expect more cooperation from me in THIS environment but be assured i'd
be more than glad to enter a DOS_INet discussion somewhere else to have
a civilized discussion - here, the Gods are not welcoming. Good day!
:)
Salutations,
Michel Samson
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* Peculiar bucolic scene: The team comes to a stop, takes a break... *
* let you see a little bit more of the whiteness around their immense *
* eyes and then... and then pinch your nose and run for your life! *
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* A thought inspired by Columbia's University `Kermit-95' task force. *
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